Loving in conflict

Awakened Evolution podcast with Jasper Brown.

What if every conflict you’ve ever had — with your partner, your parents, or even your political opposites — was actually an invitation to deeper love? In this episode, I sit down with communication teacher and author James ‘Fish’ Gill, whose model The 4 Truths has profoundly shaped the way I work with men, couples, and conflict.

Together, we explore how to stay connected in the fire of disagreement, how to see the valid pain and yearning on both sides of a rupture, and what it really means to fall in love with humanity — especially when it’s hard.